Talk:Fan Kuan

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The article address the artist as Kuan. Like most Chinese names, Fan is the surname. Isn't it an English convention to address the person using his surname. i.e. Fan should be used in most of the sentences in the article. Kowloonese 01:10, 19 Nov 2004 (UTC)

You could have changed it yourself, but I've done it. —Lowellian (talk) 15:43, May 23, 2005 (UTC)

commons pictures[edit]

There are some pictures in commons:Category:Fan K'uan. However, the description there says "Fan K'uan, Work period: Beginning of 12th century, Work location: Kaifeng, Lo-yang, Chung-nan (Province Shensi, China)". I suppose it's the same guy, but the dates are quite a bit off. Rl 18:23, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC) They are dated 11th century now.--Skyfiler 18:52, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

Birth/Death years[edit]

Anybody have a good source for When Fan lived? The top of the page says flourished 990-1020, the categories say 990 births and 1030 deaths, the external bio link says 950-1032, and I have found various online sources (Britanica, museum art pages, etc) have everything from between 960&990-1030. We need to resolve the contradictions in this article or state that it is unknown if that's the case. Keithh (talk) 14:02, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Since we only know when he flourished, we hardly know the exact dates he was born or died. I added new categories to reflect that.--Pericles of AthensTalk 20:49, 7 July 2008 (UTC)


The article gives this information: "Almost no biographical details survive about him. He modeled his early work after that of the artist Li Cheng (919–967), but later he concluded that nature was the only true teacher. He spent the rest of his life as a recluse in the rugged Qiantang mountains of Shanxi. Besides his admiration and love for the mountain's of northern China little else is known of his life."

And then gives a citation that does not include all of this information. The only information in that source is that Fan Kuan liked mountains. Where does the rest of this information come from? How do we know that he was inspired by Li Cheng and that he concluded that nature was the only true teacher? — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 01:33, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

Also, the article uses this citation: Sullivan, Michael. The Arts of China. Berkeley: University of California Press, 2008, but the page numbers it references do not mention Fan Kuan AT ALL. They mention Kublai Khan, but not Fan Kuan. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 01:49, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

I went through and removed the citation, and replaced it with a [citation needed], then removed the bad reference.Millertime246 (talk) 01:56, 31 October 2011 (UTC)
That's not solved the issue of the bad reference, not to my satisfaction at least. I'm going to remove the fictitious info. zzz (talk) 00:53, 16 October 2014 (UTC)